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Anyone else thinks Pokemon needs to end?

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    xboxplayer29

    [1]Jun 14, 2010
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    Let's be real here...Pokemon was once a good series. I liked Pokemon all the way up to Johto, I mean back then the plot was good and there seemed to be a lot going on... I just feel like the series is just copying the new episodes after the older ones... with the same type plots. Ash always loses to one gym leader, trains is butt off, then beats that gym leader and he NEVER comes in first place or second in any of his league matches... Not to mention the fact the in every new season he catches the same type of pokemon. It was my understanding the a Pokemon master catches ALL Pokemon, much like what Gary was doing in the start of the series, but Ash... he has been on TV for YEARS and I am sure that he doesn't even have 50 Pokemon at the least. The show had a good run, but it is just getting random and old and I think it is time for it to end...

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    Shiny_missingno

    [2]Jun 14, 2010
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    not 50 eh?


    pikachu caterpie - metapod - butterfreepidgeotto - pidgeot bulbasaur Squirtle Charmanader - charmeleon - charizard Krabby - Kingler


    RaticatePrimapeMuk Tauros Lapras SnorlaxHeracrossChikorita - Bayleef Cyndaquil totodile noctowl beedrill seaking


    Phanpy - donphantailow - swellow Treecko - grovyle - sceptile corphish torkoal snorunt - glalie Aipom starly - staravia - staraptor


    turtwig - grotle - torterra chimchar - monferno - infernape buizel gligar - gliscor gible


    ash has captured 52 pokemon (larvitar and haunter were never captured)

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    xboxplayer29

    [3]Jun 14, 2010
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    Lol, someone is a real Pokemon fan . Okay, you got me there! Still... Pokemon has been on since I was 7 or 8 and now I am 19... Ash should have more Pokemon than that :/... I mean really... Anyways, back to the question, do you think Pokemon should end?

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    Shiny_missingno

    [4]Jun 14, 2010
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    well like you said


    you're 19


    but there are children who werent even alive when you were 9


    so the show still runs because more and more kids are being born therefore the people who were kids grew up and stopped watching


    more younger children come along to watch it



    and the cycle repeats

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    edmasterchaos

    [5]Jun 14, 2010
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    To further go with the above, the Pokemon anime was never really that good, it's as good as always, if anything slightly better right now, but We grew, we don't get entertained by the plots of the show like when we were ten years ago. So, yeah. Shouldn't end, won't end, you don't need to see it.
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    Pikachu315111

    [6]Jun 14, 2010
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    Um, many of those Ash got through evolving his Pokemon, not catching them.


    Technically, if you're talking about species alone, Ash has caught 28. But if you're talking about individual, then Ash has caught 57. Confused? Well here's a break down:


    Butterfree (evolved from Metapod who evolved from Caterpie)(Species: 1 | Individual: 1)
    Pidgeot (evolved from Pidgeotto)(Species: 2 | Individual: 2)
    Bulbasaur (Species: 3 | Individual: 3)
    Squirtle (Species: 4 | Individual: 4)
    Charizard (evolved from Charmeleon who evolved from Charmander)(Species: 5 | Individual: 5)
    Primeape (evolved from Mankey)(Species: 6 | Individual: 6)
    Kingler (evolved from Krabby)(Species: 7 | Individual: 7)
    Muk (Species: 8 | Individual: 8 )
    Tauros (Remember, Ash has 30 of these)(Species: 9 | Individual: 38 )
    Snorlax (Species: 10 | Individual: 39)
    Lapras (Species: 11 | Individual: 40)
    Bayleef (evolved from Chikorita)(Species: 12 | Individual: 41)
    Cyndaquil (Species: 13 | Individual: 42)
    Totodile (Species: 14 | Individual: 43)
    Heracross (Species: 15 | Individual: 44)
    Noctowl (Species: 16 | Individual: 45)
    Beedrill (Species: 17 | Individual: 46)
    Sceptile (evolved from Grovyle who evolved from Treecko)(Species: 18 | Individual: 47)
    Swellow (evolved from Taillow)(Species: 19 | Individual: 48 )
    Corphish (Species: 20 | Individual: 49)
    Torkoal (Species: 21 | Individual: 50)
    Glalie (evolved from Snorunt)(Species: 22 | Individual: 51)
    Aipom (Species: 23 | Individual: 52)
    Staraptor (evolved from Staravia who evolved from Starly)(Species: 24 | Individual: 53)
    Torterra (evolved from Grotle who evolved from Turtwig)(Species: 25 | Individual: 54)
    Infernape (evolved from Monferno who evolved from Chimchar)(Species: 26 | Individual: 55)
    Gliscor (evolved from Gligar)(Species: 27 | Individual: 56)
    Gible (Species: 28 | Individual: 57)


    Incase you're wondering (and I know you are):


    * Pikachu was Ash's starter and therefore given to him
    * Donphan evolved from a Phanpy who hatched from an Egg given to Ash
    * Buizel was traded to Ash for Aipom
    * Raticate was traded for Butterfree which was then traded back
    * Haunter was never caught
    * Larvitar was never caught
    * Other Pokemon Ash didn't own but belonged to another trainer or group.


    But things only get complicated from here if you're talking about Pokemon Ash has access to, because several Pokemon like Charizard and Squirtle can return but not so easily. So factoring this in along with the Pokemon Ash has released/given away, right now Ash has 22-24 different Pokemon species and 51-53 individual Pokemon (though Ash only ever use one Tauros when he does use one).


    BUT back to the main point of this post, should Pokemon end?


    Well first off, we must keep in mind Pokemon will probably not stop as long as it remains one of Nintendo's biggest cash cows (or should I say Miltanks?). Pokemon is Nintendo's 2nd best selling franchise, only behind Mario but the gap between the two keeps on closing with each new Generation. Also it sounds like you're only talking about the anime, not the franchise itself, so therefore I will only discuss about the anime and not the games.


    No with that said, I don't think Pokemon needs to end but rather it has to "refresh" itself. Ash has been a main character of a show for more then 10 (TEN) YEARS! No other anime character that I know of has been a main character for that long, some animes themselves ended before getting close to 10 years! And while it's not like Ash hasn't gone through any character development (Ash right now is very different from when he started out, even having moved onto a mentor role to May and Dawn and even Max), his character development is rather slow due to the fact he's been a main character for so long, and it doesn't help that they made Ash into an never-aging character (yes, after 13 years, Ash is still 10 like when he started his journeys).


    Personally I think they need to wrap Ash's story up: they need to have him win a league, settle rivalries, and then have Ash obtain some position of power (personally I think Ash would make a great Frontier Brain, and being that he was offered to become one and that offer is still open further proves my assumption). Then what they need to do is a "generation jump" and then focus on a new beginning trainer who acts entirely different from Ash but not too different so we can still relate to him.


    What's a "generation jump"? It's when a certain series ends but then it has a spin-off series which takes place a number of years after the original series storyline. A good example of a show which does this is Yu-Gi-Oh! or the second season of Digimon (though Digimon season 3 and beyond has been doing "dimension leaps", which is when they do to an entirely different dimension which has no relation to the previous series other then the basic theme of the show).


    So to finish off, I don't think Pokemon needs to end but rather wrap up Ash's story and move on to a new trainer. And from there they can either have that trainer be the main character for several generation or (and this option I think is a better one) with each new region focus on a new trainer, so that way the series doesn't get boring with the same main character like it is now.

    Edited on 06/14/2010 10:21pm
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    stui8

    [7]Jun 15, 2010
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    I dont' think it needs to end. but theyit does seemthat the same kind of episodes do air. and i think it's stupid thathas has been 10 for 12 years or that he's only cuaght 28 pokemon. Maybe if the show starts with totally new charecters for the next season things would start to look better.

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    Shiny_missingno

    [8]Jun 15, 2010
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    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    stuff




    you forgot the seakinh he caught in the competition (still counts like beedrill)

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    Pikachu315111

    [9]Jun 15, 2010
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    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    stuff




    you forgot the seakinh he caught in the competition (still counts like beedrill)



    Incorrect, by contest rules Ash (as well as Misty and all the other competitors) had to release the Seaking, so therefore it doesn't count and goes with the "Pokemon belonging to another trainer or group".

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    edmasterchaos

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    Pikachu315111 wrote:

    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    stuff




    you forgot the seakinh he caught in the competition (still counts like beedrill)



    Incorrect, by contest rules Ash (as well as Misty and all the other competitors) had to release the Seaking, so therefore it doesn't count and goes with the "Pokemon belonging to another trainer or group".

    You got school'd by Pikachu, Shiny. xD
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    Shiny_missingno

    [11]Jun 15, 2010
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    edmasterchaos wrote:
    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    stuff




    you forgot the seakinh he caught in the competition (still counts like beedrill)



    Incorrect, by contest rules Ash (as well as Misty and all the other competitors) had to release the Seaking, so therefore it doesn't count and goes with the "Pokemon belonging to another trainer or group".


    You got school'd by Pikachu, Shiny. xD


    *bites edmaster* he still caught it.........

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    Pikachu315111

    [12]Jun 15, 2010
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    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    edmasterchaos wrote:
    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    Pikachu315111 wrote:


    stuff




    you forgot the seakinh he caught in the competition (still counts like beedrill)



    Incorrect, by contest rules Ash (as well as Misty and all the other competitors) had to release the Seaking, so therefore it doesn't count and goes with the "Pokemon belonging to another trainer or group".


    You got school'd by Pikachu, Shiny. xD


    *bites edmaster* he still caught it.........



    For Seaking the term "caught" is very loose as he caught it under contest terms, knowing full well he wouldn't be keeping it.

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    saylavee

    [13]Jun 15, 2010
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    Like others said above, i think they need to take Ash's position of the main character away. Like you said, make him a frontier brain. Then a time skip would be nice, maybe a few years go by and then they have the new main character as Max (dont shoot me) at the start of his journey. Then eventually he takes on the battle frontier, we get to see him battle Ash and probably lose. Since we already know a bit of his character, i've been wondering what he'd be like grown up as a trainer...

    Just as long as they stop recycling plots I'm fine.
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    PinKunoichi

    [14]Jun 15, 2010
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    saylavee wrote:
    Like others said above, i think they need to take Ash's position of the main character away. Like you said, make him a frontier brain. Then a time skip would be nice, maybe a few years go by and then they have the new main character as Max (dont shoot me) at the start of his journey. Then eventually he takes on the battle frontier, we get to see him battle Ash and probably lose. Since we already know a bit of his character, i've been wondering what he'd be like grown up as a trainer... Just as long as they stop recycling plots I'm fine.
    I've thought of the idea of Max being the main character too, after a timeskip of course and with the Ralts he met that one time as his starter.

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    SPDShadowRanger

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    God no. I might actually stop watching if Max ever became the main character.
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    Invader22

    [16]Jun 16, 2010
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    I doubt this will ever happen. But they need to have a girl as the main character. And this is coming from a guy! And maybe have her travel with two other girls, or travel with a boy and girl. Like a reverse of Ash's party. Or hell, just have her go on the journey by herself, I think that could be quite nice to see for once.

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    Shiny_missingno

    [17]Jun 16, 2010
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    SPDShadowRanger wrote:
    God no. I might actually stop watching if Max ever became the main character.


    hahaha!


    Invader22 wrote:


    I doubt this will ever happen. But they need to have a girl as the main character. And this is coming from a guy! And maybe have her travel with two other girls, or travel with a boy and girl. Like a reverse of Ash's party. Or hell, just have her go on the journey by herself, I think that could be quite nice to see for once.



    I'll only accept this if they make the girl like Sapphire Birch


    A gym battler


    cause the show will be ruined with excessive contests

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    Mario463

    [18]Jun 16, 2010
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    I think is should not end and if you guys don't like it then don't watch Pokemon.
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    Shiny_missingno

    [19]Jun 16, 2010
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    if we post here I think it pretty much means we like it...


    >_>

    Edited on 06/17/2010 11:55am
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    chicamusica12

    [20]Jun 17, 2010
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    Invader22 wrote:

    I doubt this will ever happen. But they need to have a girl as the main character. And this is coming from a guy! And maybe have her travel with two other girls, or travel with a boy and girl. Like a reverse of Ash's party. Or hell, just have her go on the journey by herself, I think that could be quite nice to see for once.



    I think you're getting that with Dawn. ever since Hoenn, Ash has been sharing his main character status with May and Dawn, and this Gen I think Dawn is more of a main character than him!
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