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Episode Discussion; A Grand Fight For Winning

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    EddyBob15

    [1]Oct 9, 2010
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    Since this discussion hasn't been put up yet, I guess it falls to me to do it. So, another main D/P plotline has been concluded. You have to admit, it certainly has come full circle in the past four years since Dawn's first contest (makes you think that last week's episode should have been the name of this one). Hopefully, the Zoey-haters out there have simmered down by now (if not, we might be seeing a lot of angry comments on this thread). Also, from the way Jessie left her Jessilina costume behind, it looks like we've seen the last of that persona. Of course, we also have the question of what Dawn will do now. But first, it's on to the final main storyline of the series. One thing you have to applaud this show for: they always save Ash's events for last!

    Edited on 10/09/2010 7:10am
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    Shiny_missingno

    [2]Oct 9, 2010
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    There are no contests in gen V so that's why we won't see Jessiwhatever anymore...



    also Pokemon is now moving ahead 1 hour


    episodes are now at 8 am

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    PinKunoichi

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    While I loved the battle, I am a bit miffed at Dawn losing. At least she was mature about it and accepted her loss instead of crying over it.

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    EddyBob15

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    Shiny_missingno wrote:
    also Pokemon is now moving ahead 1 hour


    episodes are now at 8 am


    Um, I think that has something to do with the clocks moving back an hour.

    Edited on 10/09/2010 1:38pm
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    thec0mebackman

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    Dawn lost =( no surprise there. but I had an ounce of hope when Piplup flew with Togekiss in the second half of the battle. I hate close matches.... Dawn was so close. oh well, I agree I liked how she was mature about it. although it wasn't as epic as I had pictured.
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    Aaerni

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    Awesome episode, despite the fact that Zoey beat Dawn and won the Grand Festival.

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    pokemon152

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    I'm kind of upset about Dawn losing, but I think that Zoe deserved to win.


    Honestly, I enjoyed Zoe and Nando's battle over this one.

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    Pikachu315111

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    And we end the Sinnoh Grand Festival with a predictable yet disappointing result. I will say the battle was interesting, much like with the Zoey vs. Nando battle, finally giving a battle where the writers had to have Dawn flat out obviously cheat or only show snippets of her battles, unfortunately it was the battle she lost this was done with. Also to the end of this we also come to the end of Pokemon Contests altogether. It was a nice show, but the games takes overall precedent over everything else so if Pokemon Contests are going out, so must the anime throw them out too. Hopefully Pokemon Musicals fills that void nicely, though I can only see that being a Pokemon Contest with song and dance and just being a giant appeal round to be honest. And you all know my problem with Zoey, and this just adds onto my list. Want further comments? Well that is what the below is for:


    You Can Just See Things Beginning To Set-Up:
    01:17 - Piplup and Togekiss, Dawn's first and most recent Pokemon, do you think the writers did that on purpose? Oh, Zoey's Kirlia must have evolved.
    01:49 - Toughest opponent? You know, I always knew Dawn would be facing Zoey in the Grand Festival, but not in the Finals, let's not speak anymore about this until the end though.
    02:44 - Brock, Dawn faced against a lot of Pokemon she didn't before... Johanna! Brock, Ash, would you two sit down, your drawing attention.
    03:06 - Not true Johanna, Dawn had used Piplup and Togekiss enough times for Zoey to see, however we don't know about Zoey's Gallade.
    04:13 - How come only Dawn lost points? Usually both would have lost points but Dawn would lose more as Zoey countered.
    05:17 - Jessie, James, how many times has Meowth said it spent most of its experience learning to talk and thus it can't learn Pay Day. what does this have to do with Fake Out? Well if Meowht can't learn Pay Day then I take that as it can't learn any new moves.
    05:45 - Oh, NOW you make both lose points? And again after the Whirlpool moves collided which Dawn was the one countering (meaning Zoey should have lost more points then Dawn).
    07:44 - Or Dawn is trying to make Zoey lose points after Zoey's head start at the beginning.
    08:34 - Ah, so Zoey was planning all along to get Glameow on Togekiss's back. Maybe Dawn should have tried an Aura Sphere, you know, a SUPER-EFFECTIVE move against a Normal-type like Glameow.
    09:17 - Advance Technique? Zoey used one Pokemon to make make her opponent think she was going to use the other Pokemon but the original Pokemon was her main focus, it's just a double fakeout!
    09:50 - SAFEGUARD DOES NOT PREVENT DAMAGE! The only thing Safeguard should be preventing is Thunderbolt's paralysis effect, otherwise Glameow should be able to continue using Thunderbolt.


    So Much For Setting Up A Rivalry:
    00:43 - And of course, it looks like it's time for the cameos of the coordinators or other people who aren't at the Grand Festival who had given her experience and inspiration throughout her journey.
    01:41 - It caught Whirlpool with its tail? 0_o
    02:14 - Oh, looks like we just entered into a music number. Oh, an Togekiss and Piplup must be using SKY ARMOR!
    02:44 - So Dawn caught up with Zoey huh? This would be the turning point in the battle... if it wasn't for being the Finals...
    02:56 - You perfectly know what this scene looks like (or more specifically what position Gallade is in) so I won't comment any further.
    03:53 - OH THAT'S TAUROS MULCH! I mean yay, obviouslly Zoey was going to win as the protagonist can't never win any official big contest, but at least have Dawn's Pokemon like trip when then landed or something to show that Dawn made a slight mistake!
    05:01 - EEK! Well there goes Jessie's Jesselina disguise, and being there is no Pokemon Contests in Isshu I guesss Jessie's contest days are over... unless she begins participating in Pokemon Musicals...
    05:31 - You know it's right here when I realize that now Dawn pretty much will always be considered second best to Zoey as now, unless un-officaly Contest battles, Zoey and Dawn will never verse each other again in a Grand Festival as Zoey has already won one.
    07:11 - ... That will ditch you once they head over to Isshu! Unless the writers decide to have Brock leave and replace him with the male playable character... but then again Isshu doesn't have Pokemon Contests so it was nice knowing you Dawn!
    07:56 - Alright, Ash's Gym Battle with Volkner! Oh calm down Ash, save some show for the Sinnoh League.
    08:58 - Oh yay, Nando is also in the Sinnoh League! So Nando needs one more badge too? He might as well go with Ash & co. to Volkner's Gym, with his Grass-type and Altaria he shouldn't have that much trouble winning.
    10:17 - No, Dawn's story is pretty much over, what the narrator should have said while Dawn's story has ended, Ash's is just about to start once more.

    Edited on 10/10/2010 8:25am
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    pikastatic100

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    Well, this is it, the last contest battle we'll ever see (unless snippets of others are shown on an Isshu TV, or via flashback, or something of the sort; but I find that unlikely). It was definitely epic, and I don't really mind at all that Zoey won. She deserved it, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dawn ends up going to another region to compete in contests like May did. If she does, it would more interesting since she still has a goal to reach.
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    Shiny_missingno

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    Tauros mulch? I'm so stealing that



    and besides the only one to blame for dawns loss in that scene is one person only, DAWN



    and you wanna know why? She was actually stupid enough to let her Pokemon ram into a psycho cut thunderbolt combo while Zoeys Gallade was still in the air and defensless from using the attack


    seriously...couldn't she have oh I don't know..ordered them to dive?


    I know it homes in on them but Togekiss and Piplup could've used the old "hoist by my own petard" move by moving at the last second and let Gallade get hit with his own move..

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    lighting_blond

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    A great episode.

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    EddyBob15

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    I don't know if this means we've seen the last of Dawn and May. Just because the game is ditching the premise of Pokemon Contests doesn't mean that the anime will completely abandon it. I mean, hey, the Pokemon world wouldn't seem as big without it.


    Pikachu315111 wrote:
    10:17 - No, Dawn's story is pretty much over, what the narrator should have said while Dawn's story has ended, Ash's is just about to start once more.


    I think they're meaning that Dawn's journey is going to continue off-screen.


    On one more note, you'd think that this being the last round of the Grand Festival, that Pikachu would be cheering Dawn and her Pokemon on in his kimono.

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    SPDShadowRanger

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    Pikachu315111 wrote:
    finally giving a battle where the writers had to have Dawn flat out obviously cheat


    She never cheated.



    thec0mebackman wrote:
    I hate close matches....
    What? You'd rather have a completely one sided battle?

    Edited on 10/10/2010 8:24am
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    Pikachu315111

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    Shiny_missingno wrote:


    Tauros mulch? I'm so stealing that


    and besides the only one to blame for dawns loss in that scene is one person only, DAWN


    and you wanna know why? She was actually stupid enough to let her Pokemon ram into a psycho cut thunderbolt combo while Zoeys Gallade was still in the air and defensless from using the attack


    seriously...couldn't she have oh I don't know..ordered them to dive?


    I know it homes in on them but Togekiss and Piplup could've used the old "hoist by my own petard" move by moving at the last second and let Gallade get hit with his own move..



    Yay, honestly Dawn did make several questionable decisions, like the one I noted with Glameow charging at Togekiss and instead of using a Super Effective Aura Sphere she did I think an Air Slash.


    However I'm not too sure about the Electric Charged Psycho Cut move, I mean her Sky Attack Peck had to be aimed at something so unless she went for Glameow she would might have been in trouble if either she dodged Gallade or Gallade dodged them. And also remember that a Pokemon Contest is about putting on a show, and a collision of power usually makes for a great show. And as you saw in the end the points were really close, honestly it's only because status quo is god that she lost.


    EddyBob15 wrote:


    I don't know if this means we've seen the last of Dawn and May. Just because the game is ditching the premise of Pokemon Contests doesn't mean that the anime will completely abandon it. I mean, hey, the Pokemon world wouldn't seem as big without it.


    Pikachu315111 wrote:
    10:17 - No, Dawn's story is pretty much over, what the narrator should have said while Dawn's story has ended, Ash's is just about to start once more.


    I think they're meaning that Dawn's journey is going to continue off-screen.


    On one more note, you'd think that this being the last round of the Grand Festival, that Pikachu would be cheering Dawn and her Pokemon on in his kimono.



    No, I'm sure once in awhile they might make a reference to Pokemon Contests (especially if they do have a Pokemon Musicals thing) and like Misty and May before her Dawn will probably be making an appearance.


    And yay, of course Dawn's journey in Pokemon Contests isn't over (though I do think Dawn makes for a better Pokemon StyIist but that's just me), but it's over so far in Sinnoh. I don't know where they sent her exactly when she left, but I think Dawn should head for Hoenn for her next Pokemon Contest journey, makes sense to me.


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    Pikachu315111 wrote:
    finally giving a battle where the writers had to have Dawn flat out obviously cheat


    She never cheated.



    She didn't cheat on her own, but the writers cheated for her, you know, the Dawn vs. Ursula? Now I wanted Dawn to win against Ursula, but I'm sorry if they kept consistent with the points Dawn would have lost due to all the Shadow Balls her Pokemon got hit with when she had little points left.

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    SPDShadowRanger

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    That's still not her cheating.
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    Pikachu315111

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    SPDShadowRanger wrote:
    That's still not her cheating.


    Yay, I just explained that. She didn't cheat, the writers cheated for her. The writers ignored the point system because if they had followed it, Dawn would have lost.

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    SPDShadowRanger

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    As I said two weeks ago, they didn't follow system because the points system has been epic fail since Day 1.
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    Pikachu315111

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    SPDShadowRanger wrote:
    As I said two weeks ago, they didn't follow system because the points system has been epic fail since Day 1.


    Makes you wonder how they'll handle Pokemon Musicals...

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    SPDShadowRanger

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    Those are kind of annoying to begin with so who knows.

    Anyone, this is the third time I've seen this episode and every time I still hope Dawn will pull off the victory lol.
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    thec0mebackman

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    SPDShadowRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111 wrote:
    finally giving a battle where the writers had to have Dawn flat out obviously cheat


    She never cheated.



    thec0mebackman wrote:
    I hate close matches....
    What? You'd rather have a completely one sided battle?


    well... how can I explain it. close matches that don't really seem like they should end in close matches. if that made sense. it just seemed like Zoey had better attack combos than Dawn, which is why she obviously won but they could've made Dawn have better move combos or something. that Whirpool/Aura Sphere was eh ...but the way Glameow used its tail to counter it totally topped the move. but I loved the Sky Attack/Peck rocket move they did though. it just didn't seem like a close match to me, ok I'm confusing myself
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