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Wich out of the three is strongest!

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    PsyduckRanger

    [21]Nov 29, 2008
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    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

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    BAC510

    [22]Nov 29, 2008
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    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

    Zapdos' Electric Type moves won't effect it much, so it pretty much has to rely on its Flying Type moves & Turtwigs Defense will become really high during its last 2 evolutions. I am not sure if Turtwig in its Base Form can learn Stone Edge but am sure Torterra can & say the following line: "Rock Beats Flying". If any Pokemon that has Stone Edge, it can easily defeat Moltres & Articuno in a heartbeat because of their Double Weakness to Rock Types. Zapdos can withstand maybe one or two Stone Edges(w/out a Critical Hit). So I am certain based on Endurance, Zapdos is the best.
    Edited on 11/29/2008 4:11pm
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    pikastatic100

    [23]Nov 29, 2008
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    BAC510 wrote:
    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

    Zapdos' Electric Type moves won't effect it much, so it pretty much has to rely on its Flying Type moves & Turtwigs Defense will become really high during its last 2 evolutions. I am not sure if Turtwig in its Base Form can learn Stone Edge but am sure Torterra can & say the following line: "Rock Beats Flying". If any Pokemon that has Stone Edge, it can easily defeat Moltres & Articuno in a heartbeat because of their Double Weakness to Rock Types. Zapdos can withstand maybe one or two Stone Edges(w/out a Critical Hit). So I am certain based on Endurance, Zapdos is the best.

    Agreed. And just so you know, neither Turtwig nor Grotle can learn Stone Edge, only Torterra out of the 3 Grass types.
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    BAC510

    [24]Nov 29, 2008
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    pikastatic100 wrote:
    BAC510 wrote:
    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

    Zapdos' Electric Type moves won't effect it much, so it pretty much has to rely on its Flying Type moves & Turtwigs Defense will become really high during its last 2 evolutions. I am not sure if Turtwig in its Base Form can learn Stone Edge but am sure Torterra can & say the following line: "Rock Beats Flying". If any Pokemon that has Stone Edge, it can easily defeat Moltres & Articuno in a heartbeat because of their Double Weakness to Rock Types. Zapdos can withstand maybe one or two Stone Edges(w/out a Critical Hit). So I am certain based on Endurance, Zapdos is the best.

    Agreed. And just so you know, neither Turtwig nor Grotle can learn Stone Edge, only Torterra out of the 3 Grass types.

    But I am still confused why Pikachu315111 said that specifically Turtwig is better than Zapdos?
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    pikastatic100

    [25]Nov 29, 2008
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    BAC510 wrote:
    pikastatic100 wrote:
    BAC510 wrote:
    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

    Zapdos' Electric Type moves won't effect it much, so it pretty much has to rely on its Flying Type moves & Turtwigs Defense will become really high during its last 2 evolutions. I am not sure if Turtwig in its Base Form can learn Stone Edge but am sure Torterra can & say the following line: "Rock Beats Flying". If any Pokemon that has Stone Edge, it can easily defeat Moltres & Articuno in a heartbeat because of their Double Weakness to Rock Types. Zapdos can withstand maybe one or two Stone Edges(w/out a Critical Hit). So I am certain based on Endurance, Zapdos is the best.

    Agreed. And just so you know, neither Turtwig nor Grotle can learn Stone Edge, only Torterra out of the 3 Grass types.

    But I am still confused why Pikachu315111 said that specifically Turtwig is better than Zapdos?

    I think he was basically just comparing the major types. After all, Grass types have an advantage over Electric types, he didn't say Turtwig was better than Zapdos.
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    armpitmyhair

    [26]Nov 30, 2008
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    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?
    i think what he meanrt is grass type moves have more of an effect on electric type and not vice versa. also we arent talking about the strongest pokemon in existence were talking about the strongest ut of those 3 pokemon and in the movie articuno may have gotten out simply because he hwas the most endurance OR because articuno is also a favorite of the producers (which would xplain why he gets the most screen time) so of course articuno is the coolest (and maybe has the most endurance) but zapdos is still the strongest
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    Pikachu315111

    [27]Nov 30, 2008
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    PsyduckRanger wrote:

    Pikachu315111, what type advantage does Turtwig have over Zapdos? Zapdos resists grass, and for Turtwig's line's eventual dual type, Zapdos takes no damage from ground at all.

    And sure, Zapdos would undoubtedly be the best, if they were the only three pokémon in existance. But, in case you hadn't noticed, they're not. If you wanna draw up one of those charts like Pikachu315111's for all 493 Pokémon, and alternate form(e)s, go ahead.

    In the mean time, Moltres is the best, because...Moltres!

    Although in the anime, specifically the second movie, Articuno is of course much cooler (no pun intended...), it didn't go get itself captured now did it?

    I was just using the main types since (while Zapdos' Flying-type does resist Turtwig's Grass-type) Turwrig and Zapdos was the only Starter and Legendary Bird left that wasn't paired (Chimchar's Fire-type is strong against Articuno's Ice-type and Piplup's Water-type is strong against Moltres' Fire-type, and those two Flying-types isn't effected nor effets Fire or Water-types).

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    PsyduckRanger

    [28]Dec 1, 2008
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    But that's just the same as saying Dark, Psychic, and Fighting types would make a trio comparable to Grass, Fire, and Water, which they wouldn't, because that doesn't account for resistances; Dark types take no damage at all from Psychic types.

    It's just completely different, having a resistance isn't the same as your opponent having a weakness to you.
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    Pikachu315111

    [29]Dec 1, 2008
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    PsyduckRanger wrote:
    But that's just the same as saying Dark, Psychic, and Fighting types would make a trio comparable to Grass, Fire, and Water, which they wouldn't, because that doesn't account for resistances; Dark types take no damage at all from Psychic types.

    It's just completely different, having a resistance isn't the same as your opponent having a weakness to you.

    You do realize you've been argueing with me about a quick concept I thought up for how I thought they should have distributed the Bird Trio instead of having all three roam around Sinnoh? I just used how the Beast Trio was distributed in FireRed and LeafGreen except using the Stater's resistance instead of their weakness. But as you and I pointed out, there is a problem either way because there will always be an odd pair out.

    But all in all, it doesn't really matter, because it doesn't change the fact that in Platinum all three of the Bird Trio is roaming around to be caught.

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    armpitmyhair

    [32]Dec 3, 2008
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    so why can they be found in platinum but not diamond and pearl O_O
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    Pikachu315111

    [33]Dec 3, 2008
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    armpitmyhair wrote:
    so why can they be found in platinum but not diamond and pearl O_O

    Because the programmers decided to do something out of the blue for Platinum that wasn't in Diamond and Pearl and that is just one of the things they thought up of doing.

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    armpitmyhair

    [34]Dec 4, 2008
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    Pikachu315111 wrote:

    armpitmyhair wrote:
    so why can they be found in platinum but not diamond and pearl O_O

    Because the programmers decided to do something out of the blue for Platinum that wasn't in Diamond and Pearl and that is just one of the things they thought up of doing.
    well that was definitely out of the blue LOL i will definitely be looking forward to catching them
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    tota1ity

    [35]Dec 10, 2008
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    I would go for Zapdos. Just because when I was little, I plugged a fork into the plug and I felt the power of electricity. From that day I vote for thunder!
    Edited on 12/10/2008 4:42am
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