No, Ash won't win the league. He's gonna lose at some point, whether it be against Paul, Barry, Conway, or some other trainer.
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No, Ash won't win the league. He's gonna lose at some point, whether it be against Paul, Barry, Conway, or some other trainer.
| edmasterchaos wrote: |
| Objection! Ash was already confirmed to defeat Paul, if anything, Ash will lose to the "Legendary Trainer/Trainer with Legendary Pokemon" but, they can't really cram anything else, July starts league, then no episode, and after that there's probably just 5 episodes before teh new saga. |
Where is the confirmation? Is it because Ash lost every time he battled Paul? Because that it dumb, seeing how Dawn lost to Zoey...... -_- I want to see the fine print that states Ash will beat Paul..... or else I will consider this a non-argumental discussion.
| BAC510 wrote: | ||
Where is the confirmation? Is it because Ash lost every time he battled Paul? Because that it dumb, seeing how Dawn lost to Zoey...... -_- I want to see the fine print that states Ash will beat Paul..... or else I will consider this a non-argumental discussion. |
Wait, are you saying that it was Zoey who won the Grand Festival? Well, thanks for telling me that!
| BAC510 wrote: | ||
Where is the confirmation? Is it because Ash lost every time he battled Paul? Because that it dumb, seeing how Dawn lost to Zoey...... -_- I want to see the fine print that states Ash will beat Paul..... or else I will consider this a non-argumental discussion. |
Oh, and to ed, there's going to be way more than 5 episodes. Isshu starts in mid/late September, meaning we have July 1st, then the break, then a double episode on the 15th, then league episodes on the 22nd-September 5th. The first non-qualifiers start in the same episode the league begins, which will most likely start when it ends. Nando v. Ash continues until the middle of the episode on the 15th, with training taking up the second half [or we see battles of Paul, Barry and Conway]. The second episode on the 15th will be 3-on-3 with some CotD. The episode on the 22nd will be the first 6-on-6 with a CotD. Episode on the 29th will be the first part of Paul v. Barry [interrupted sporadically by comments or training]. That battle concludes on the 5th, with Ash v. Conway just getting started at the end of the episode. The battle continues through the 12th, and is concluded at the beginning of the 19th. Paul v. Ash begins in that same episode, and continues through the next episode. Ash battles the legendary trainer in the quarter finals on the 2nd, and the battle ends on the 9th [along with showing the LT winning the league with goodbyes for all the rivals]. Dawn leaves on a boat for *insert region here* with Brock and Ash continuing to Kanto [all taking place on the 16th.] Ash and Brock split, Ash goes to Pallet and meets up with his old friends and somehow learns about Isshu [taking place on the 23rd]. In the same episode, he departs for Isshu, which starts on September 30th.
So, let's count, shall we? After Ash v. Nando, we have 3-on-3 with CotD (1), 6-on-6 with CotD (2), Paul v. Barry (3, 4), Paul v. Ash (5, 6), Ash v. LT + Goodbyes (7, 
, Dawn leaving (9), Brock leaving and Ash going to Isshu (10). Of course, they could very well cut something out or shorten a battle in order to have Isshu air on the 23rd, but this seems to be the basic layout.
| sergkiller wrote: | ||||
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It's been built up? lol. Ash has never successfuly won any of his matches with Paul except with Chimchar. You have your hopes too high if you honestly think Ash is beating Paul. Sure, I'd like it, but Paul just seems more likely to pull out a win.
| BAC510 wrote: | ||
Where is the confirmation? Is it because Ash lost every time he battled Paul? Because that it dumb, seeing how Dawn lost to Zoey...... -_- I want to see the fine print that states Ash will beat Paul..... or else I will consider this a non-argumental discussion. |
Well, around the time that it was announced that Brock was leaving/getting a new dream the same blog (or another one?) mentioned Ash fighting a legendary trainer after fighting Paul, but alas, i can't find that info anymore.
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||||||
It's been built up? lol. Ash has never successfuly won any of his matches with Paul except with Chimchar. You have your hopes too high if you honestly think Ash is beating Paul. Sure, I'd like it, but Paul just seems more likely to pull out a win. |
| sergkiller wrote: |
| Yes, it's been built up. Ash had a "built up" rivalry with Gary, and he never successfully beat him in a match until the Top 16 of the Silver Conference. Paul and Ash have differing training styles, and Ash doesn't agree with how Paul does it. Their whole rivalry has been about wanting to prove the other wrong, which Ash has somewhat succeeded in because he was able to tap into Chimchar's potential [ie, it evolved twice under his care and mastered Blaze]. Every time they meet up, the conflict arises. If you don't think it's been "built up", then I have no idea what anime you're watching. To build on my point, the rival between Dawn and Zoey was obviously built up, but according to you, because Dawn never beat Zoey in a contest battle, it wasn't. And hopes too high? Really? Pikachu beat Regice with one Volt Tackle. There's a little something called a DEM that you should probably look into, because that's what the writers specialize in, and it will obviously happen against Paul whether we like it or not. I agree that Ash is too weak to beat him, even with Infernape, but that won't stop the writers from making him win, or at least forcing a tie. Oh, and I should've added this in my first paragraph but I just noticed it; Staraptor beat Weavile even with a type disadvantage, and was able to hold it's own against Torterra and Ursaring afterward [granted, it didn't attack either that much, but it still didn't go down easily even after being barraged by ice attacks]. I don't care if you're counting match wins or not [and if you're going by that, Paul only won once, by the way] but that's still impressive. |
Ash beat Gary in the conference however in the next battle, Pikachu gets wooped by Electrive. Yea, Ash sure "matured".
Pikachu didn't beat Regice with one single attack. It took some pathetic attempts before that piece of ice went down.
What is DEM?
I'm not saying Ash won't beat him, but why are you acting like its 100% confirmed?
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||
Ash beat Gary in the conference however in the next battle, Pikachu gets wooped by Electrive. Yea, Ash sure "matured". Pikachu didn't beat Regice with one single attack. It took some pathetic attempts before that piece of ice went down. What is DEM? I'm not saying Ash won't beat him, but why are you acting like its 100% confirmed? |
| sergkiller wrote: | ||||
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Yes, and that cheapness will happen in the league where Ash will get a win when he doesnt deserve it.
Sure, he COULD win, they COULD tie, but why even think that when we have no solid confirmation?
Why would Paul forfeit
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||||||
Yes, and that cheapness will happen in the league where Ash will get a win when he doesnt deserve it. Sure, he COULD win, they COULD tie, but why even think that when we have no solid confirmation? Why would Paul forfeit |
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1) When did Ash face a legendar pokemon in the league?
2) You still haven't explained what DEM was or if you did I missed it.
3) Writers will carry out Paul's character because its so much better than the drones who care about their pokemon.
4) The legendary Ash has lost plenty of times before. And losing now will be nothing new for the little tikes.
5) Your acting like its a FACT Ash will beat Paul. Where is the PROOF?
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||||||||||
1) When did Ash face a legendar pokemon in the league? 2) You still haven't explained what DEM was or if you did I missed it. 3) Writers will carry out Paul's character because its so much better than the drones who care about their pokemon. 4) The legendary Ash has lost plenty of times before. And losing now will be nothing new for the little tikes. 5) Your acting like its a FACT Ash will beat Paul. Where is the PROOF? |
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1) Of course Ash will. He's beaten legdendary's in the past.
3) Yes, they will. Paul is an intersting character and he adds depth to this show. They won't gid rid of him that easily.
4) Who cares about past seasons? The writers have BROKE traditions in Sinnoh. Don't just go assuming that Ash will beat his rival because they done it in the past.
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||||||||||||||
1) Of course Ash will. He's beaten legdendary's in the past. 3) Yes, they will. Paul is an intersting character and he adds depth to this show. They won't gid rid of him that easily. 4) Who cares about past seasons? The writers have BROKE traditions in Sinnoh. Don't just go assuming that Ash will beat his rival because they done it in the past. |
Pikachu beating Regice wasn't really a Deus Ex Machina, but Ash's battle against Tate & Liza was. Why you may ask? Two words: Thunder Armor.
| sergkiller wrote: |
That's it. I'm done. You're too stubborn to argue with. I'm going back to Serebii, at least that place has people with common sense -.- |
Excuse me, stubborn? I'm have a trying to have an argument with someone who clearly afraid to back up their initial points. When I bring up an excellent point, you blast off like Team Rocket.
So SURE, run away. It obviously proves you don't have two cents to stand by anything you said.
| lostfan111 wrote: | ||
Excuse me, stubborn? I'm have a trying to have an argument with someone who clearly afraid to back up their initial points. When I bring up an excellent point, you blast off like Team Rocket. So SURE, run away. It obviously proves you don't have two cents to stand by anything you said. |
| sergkiller wrote: |
It doesn't matter if Sinnoh has done things differently, they aren't going to have Ash lose. Everything they've done was for a good reason and was for plot progression. Dawn caught Buizel so she had something to give Ash for Aipom, and they had Ash get Aipom so it could be used in contests with Dawn. They traded for the best. Ambipom served it's purpose, meaning the writers could do whatever they wanted with it. Dawn used it to get the feel of her first contest powerhouse, so there was no need to keep it around. Gliscor learned Giga Impact and needed to master air gliding, which is why it got left for training. Ash got two evolved starters so he could match Paul punch for punch. Ash got a Dragon type to differentiate from the norm, and to show he matured as a trainer because Dragon types take a lot of skill to train correctly, and if he can train Gible correctly, then he will have matured from what he was. There is no explanation for Paul beating Ash. Now, as I said before, I'm going back to Serebii [which is where I spend most of my time anyway] because people understand that Ash will beat or tie against Paul because it's common effing sense. Because, as I've said time and time again, kids want the good guy to come out on top and the writers do what kids will like, not what teenagers will like. |
You tell me a reason and once I was satisfied that you gave an APPROPRIATE answer, I quickly went to the next question.
I never said keep Paul for 5 years. Hell, we don't even know if Ash will be on for 5 more years. What I said was, Paul is a GREAT opponent for Ash and the writers wont drop him after the league. And your reasoning for NOT keeping Paul is pathetic. Seriously, kids wanna see the hero win? THAT'S your logic for not keeping Paul? Ash is no peach fuzz hero. Not to mention your reasoning that the "writers dont wanna make the kids cry" is the stupidest thing I heard. Get real.
Ash isn't going to lose? Are you effing kidding me? Ash isn't mister invisible. And it certaintly DOES matter than Sinnoh is different. That's the WHOLE point. Sinnoh has set a NEW era for things and you CANNOT predict anything.
Paul is a great contender and it's very likely he can beat Ash. And unlike you, I'm making mine a POSSIBLITY, instead of a certainty you assume because the big mean writers dont wanna make the little kiddies cry.
